@maija worse is #MAPI which solely exost to enshure @thunderbird can't work with #MicrosoftExchange out of the box!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAPI

@silhouette @lil5 Oh, that shite...

• #Microsoft still refuses to support #IMAP & #SMTP instead?

Cuz I remember their #MAPI bs and #OWA being the only way to use #Thunderbird if the admins didn't allow IMAP & SMTP using a commercial addon...

@heinelo genau das sehe ich fundamental andersherum, eben weil jene #Monokultur ein Problem ist, sollten Leute umso mehr an offene Standards gewohnt werden.

#MicrosoftOffice kann problemlos #OpenDocument verarbeiten, aber #OOXML ist bewusst so designed dass es faktisch unmöglich ist dies sauber zu implementieren!

• Dasselbe gibt auch bei anderen Standards wie #IMAP vs. #MAPI / #MicrosoftExchange...

Wäre was anderes wenn Mensch zu "Fachsoftware" fenötigt wird wie :würg: SAP oder :kotz: DATEV...

@fuchsiii @ncommander #MicrosoftExchange is just so #cursed beyond reason, I'd rather #SelfHost my #eMail on a manually installed #Postfix & #Courier under #OracleSolaris or #OpenBSD instead...

#Microsoft's horrible, proprietary protocol known as #MAPI is a plight and before I'd even open #Outlook I'd rather pay for a commercial @thunderbird / #Thunderbird addon than to even look at #OWA or #Outlook to begin with...

And yes I did the latter in the past!

@thunderbird @clokep @matrix

Considering the fact that #Matrix's reference implementation pushes towards #AGPLv3 and is thus non-free and very restrictive to license, I wished for #XMPP+#OMEMO / XMPP+#PGP/MIME or #IRC or #Zulip integration instead.

But maybe that's me who found Matrix to be on-par with #Spack, #RocketChat, #Mattermost & #MicrosoftTeams when it comes to bad #UI & #UX.

I sincerely wish for said #Chat system to be either a dedicaded #App or modularized, but then again I wounder how much value it could add compared to #Gajim & #Pidgin...

Please fix the bugs and make Thunderbird better...
Consider buying up #Beonex or implementing proper #MAPI support instead...

@zulip @monocles
#Thunderbird #Chat

@grimmy @jorge @pidgin

Personally I'm able.and willing to pay for good Software:

I literally paid €10 p.a. more than once in order to have @thunderbird just work with shit like #MicrosoftExchange simply because #MAPI is garbage and I won't use #Outlook.

https://www.beonex.com/owl/

@cammerman nope.

#CalDAV exists and it works just fine on @nextcloud and #OpenXchange...

it's just that proprietary trash like #MAPI / #ActiveSync makes issues.

Same with contacts (#CardDAV), Files (#WebDAV) and eMail (#IMAP)...

@animemer @thecatcollective @torproject not to mention all the protocols of all their applications and devices from #DVB over #TCP / #UDP ( #IPv & #IPv6 ) are #OpenSource.
- Even if they use shitty #MicrosoftExchange's #MAPI instead of #IMAP, the #Mailserver still uses #SMTP to sent out stuff.
- #HTTP (#Apache, #ngnix)
- #FTP (#vsftpd)
- #SSL (#OpenSSL & #Mozilla NSS)

- #SteamDeck runs #ArchLinux / #SteamOS
- #NintendoSwitch & #PS3-#PS5 & #PSvita run #FreeBSD.

@ryanhoulihan NO, it would be a classic #EmbraceExtentExtinguish move!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend%2C_and_extinguish#Examples_by_Microsoft

Espechally since #MAPI is purposefully laced with #patents to enshure @mozilla #Thunderbird and other #FLOSS clients can't support it out-of-the box!

And it necessitates 3rd party addons to be able to use a good client...
https://www.beonex.com/owl/

@nextcloud Personally, I'd rather want #Nextcloud instead of #Exchange because there is no good reason to use proprietary bs like #MAPI over #OpenStandards like #IMAP / #SMTP, #CalDAV & #CardDAV...

@atomicpoet @rberger Both should've never existed in the first place.

#Silverlight - like #Flash - deservedly died as all #proprietary #rentseeking technology should!

I sincerely hope proprietary shit like #MAPI & #OOXML will soon die out with #Win32 / #Win64 / #WinRT APIs.

Because the only sustainable tech is FLOSS...

@mcepl @ProfessorCode @survey noone should use #OOXML.

It's purposefully designed to be unimplementable by anyone but #Microsoft (similar to #Exchange's #MAPI protocol) and inherently worse than #OpenDocument due to being > 6.000 pages of legacy bloatware down to Office 4.2 bugs.

@jonny I literally rather pay €10 p.a. for the #Owl #AddOn on @mozilla #Thunderbird and bill that to said org rather than having to deal with shit like #Outlook.

Also I demand that basic standards like #IMAP & #SMTP as well as #CalDAV & #CardDAV be offered instead of bs like #MAPI which is a shitty protocol that should be illegal alongside #OOXML & #XPS...

https://www.beonex.com/owl/