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Ich möchte gerne ein möglichst vollständige Matrix der Features der Fediversesoftwaren erstellen, an prominenter Stelle für alle Interessierten zur Verfügung stellen und Neueinsteigern die Wahl der zu ihren Bedürfnissen passenden Fediversesoftware erleichtern.
Also - wer eine der unten gelisteten SWs kennt, benutzt oder entwickelt und 15 Minuten Lebenszeit erübrigen kann, möge sich bitte bei @LasseGismo melden um das Projekt zu unterstützen.
Ich werde einen Cryptpadlink zur Verfügung stellen um die Änderungen/Ergänzungen direkt in die Tabelle einzutragen.
Wer zudem der Ansicht ist, daß eine Software fehlt und dazu inhaltlich beitragen will, ist natürlich gerne eingeladen sich zu melden.
Hier der Link zur Vorlage, mit Dank an Chris.

Fediversefeature-Matrix-DE.xlsx
lassegismo.dnsuser.info/nextcl

Boosts sind natürlich sehr willkommen.

Ich danke für Eure Zeit - nur gemeinsam sind wir stark.

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I would like to create, as complete as possible, a matrix with the features of each Fediverse software, make it available in a prominent place for all interested parties and make it easier for newcomers to choose the Fediverse software that suits their needs.
So - if you know, use or develop one of the SWs listed below and can spare 15 minutes of your life, please contact @LasseGismo to support the project.
I will provide a cryptpad link to enter the changes/additions directly into the table.
If you also think that a software is missing and want to contribute to the content, you are of course welcome to contact me.
Here is the link to the template, with thanks to Chris.

Fediversefeature-Matrix-EN.xlsx
lassegismo.dnsuser.info/nextcl

Boosts are of course very welcome.

Thank you for your time - only together we are strong.

@crossgolf_rebel @PaulaToThePeople
@chris

#FediHelp #FollowerPower
#Akkoma #BookWyrm #Castopod #Diaspora #Firefish #Friendica #Funkwhale #Gancio #GNUSocial #GoToSocial #Hubzilla #kbin #Lemmy #Mastodon #Misskey #Mobilizon #Nextcloud #PeerTube #Pixelfed #Pleroma #Socialhome #Streams #WriteFreely #Wordpress

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@jotaluis Hay que decir tambien que mastodon arranco bien por #GNUsocial de donde pillo monton de usuarios.


Ahh, lo he recuperado desde las #ediciones.
ya, los TL van a cambiar, veremos los toots citados de los otros y igual no queremos ver toots citados, nu se, no me gusta personalmente, en los comienzos de mstodon se consulto abiertamente con los usuarios que estabamos y por gran mayoria se dijo NO, en fin. Corria el año 2016 y aquí eramos 4 gatos. Por decir algo.

Gnihihi, in alten Dateien gewühlt, eigentlich was ganz anderes gesucht...
Das gefunden... 6.September 2014 #statusnet #quitter #gnusocial #fediverse

Liebe Twitterer,
unser Ansturm auf Quitter(quitter.se) hat offenbar den Server ( old.quitter.se) arg belastet.
Dadurch wird die Seite langsam, was schon viele von euch bemängelt haben. Es lässt sich jedoch ganz einfach vermeiden.
Wie ich an mir selbst festgestellt habe, ist die ganze Sache nicht so ohne Weiteres für jeden verständlich...

Der Server, also old.quitter.se ist einer von vielen im StatusNet. Eine Liste möglicher Server im Statusnet findet ihr hier:
skilledtests.com/wiki/List_of_
...
Ihr könnt euch bei jedem x-beliebigen dieser Server einen Account anmelden. Es muss nicht zwingend old.quitter.se sein. Nehmt bitte einen anderen!!
.... Also, seid bitte so nett, und richtet euch eure Accounts nicht alle bei quitter.se ein, nutzt auch die vielen
anderen! Ansonsten vergeht uns auf Quitter bald allen der Spaß

🙈😂 #neuhier #althier

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@pluralistic /46

but the fact that #Bluesky isn't free enough is no reason to turn our back on it.

Of course it is.
It's a rotten seed from the beginning and those who planted it and went for it have that rotten mindset in their stem cells, in their brain stem . The locked in effect always is there, and the VC effect, not really dismantled in this thread, can't be fixed. To begin with, VC makes it's money by the value increase of the stocks as early investors in the first place, not the real earnings of the company.

The coding community got locked into github and is now simply f***.
Of course the community is working on the decentralized alternatives already, yet every, literally every single click on a keyboard or mouse on their platforms furthers their advantage and increases their advantage, obligating us to create another work around and to wait until the latest locked in effect has vanished, as worn out.

And btw, talking the whole time about mastodon without realizing and mentioning that this is about #activityPub is just creating the next single point of failure, the reign of mastodon itself. And not mentioning that mastodon is just one evolutionary step in the #fediVerse since, #GNUsocial, #Diaspora, #friendica is showing of illiteracy in the field.

The biggest problem of diaspora was the size of the joindiaspora server, and the incapability of letting go, of stepping aside and starting to manage a coding community. The biggest problem of the fediVerse right now is the size of mastodon.social. Mastodon.social itself is rendering the idea of a decentralized social web meaningless in the first place. And every one signing onto mastodon.social is proving that he didn't get the point in the first place. Same as those who want for bluesky.

The interesting part, the fediVerse knows that #mastodon is just a stepping stone, a step on the stairs.
In part, locking in is brand identification, it's pure tribalism. Promoting mastodon instead of the fediVerse is promoting one of the basics of the lock in effect. The moment you start to talk about "Zuck" you have to talk about the fediVerse and activityPub, not mastodon. And of course once you start broadening the angle from twitter to the rest of the wallet gardens you have to talk about google/youtube, spotify, and that's again activityPub, #peertube or #castopod. So if actually even #debian is mentioned in this thread it's time to mention #yunohost.
Anything else hurts the community, the project fediVerse as a whole.

The new enemy is bluesky, and locking in users there by doing if the already failed promise can be solved by throwing more money at it is being blind in the a world of the visually impaired, aiding the enemy, the new one. The one that obviously emerged because the fediVerse existed already and has been identified by silicon valley as the real threat.

📚 Mastodon History

Back in February 23rd, 2016 — Mastodon first described itself as:

“Mastodon is a federated microblogging engine. An alternative implementation of the GNU Social project.”

The history of Mastodon is tied to GNU Social.

github.com/mastodon/mastodon/b

github.com/mastodon/mastodon/t

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@cy
The people who wrote the Fediverse

There were no "people who wrote the Fediverse". These was no committee who laid down the standards.

The Fediverse was invented by @Evan Prodromou. In 2008. By first creating a centralised Twitter alternative silo named Identi.ca.

And then open-sourcing the underlying technology as Laconi.ca, later StatusNet (merged into GNU social in 2013).

And then laying the protocol open as OpenMicroBlogging, later superseded by OStatus.

Then, in 2010, @Mike Macgirvin ?️ decided that the world needs a free, open-source, decentralised, secure alternative to Facebook that's better than Facebook. And so he made Mistpark, today Friendica.

But the features he wanted Friendica to have were impossible to achieve with any existing protocol. OStatus wasn't even that good for microblogging, much less Mike's ambitious plans. Besides, he's an experienced protocol designer. So he created a whole new protocol, DFRN, and built Friendica on top of it. Friendica did adopt OStatus as an extra protocol, though, because Friendica's goal was and still is to federate with everything and then some.

In 2011, Mike had seen many public Friendica nodes shut down with or without warning and people always losing everything and having to start over from scratch. So he decided to do something against it.

He invented nomadic identity. And built a new protocol around it, Zot, because there was no way DFRN could take care of this, let alone OStatus.

In 2012, he forked Friendica into Red and rewrote the whole backend against Zot, which, however, required the creation of yet another identity scheme.

For one, one login could now have multiple fully separate and independent identities on it. For example, my Hubzilla channel URL is https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland.

Besides, one identity could now reside on multiple server instances which is what nomadic identity means.

Red was later renamed Red Matrix and, in 2015, refactored, redesigned and renamed into Hubzilla.

Mastodon and Pleroma started in 2016 as OStatus-based alternative UIs for GNU social. Mastodon was the first to be turned into a stand-alone project with not much interest in connecting to anything outside, all in spite of already being federated with Pleroma, GNU social, Friendica and Hubzilla via OStatus.

ActivityPub came out in 2017. No, not 2018. It was standardised in 2018. But it came out in 2017.

In July, 2017, Hubzilla was the first Fediverse project to integrate ActivityPub. Next to its own Zot, next to diaspora*, next to OStatus etc. On the one hand, Hubzilla tried to stay as close to the ActivityPub spec as possible and feasible. On the other hand, Hubzilla had to make its ActivityPub integration, which has always been an optional add-on, compatible to its own technology, to its own Zot protocol, to the way it works.

In September, Mastodon was the second Fediverse project to adopt ActivityPub. But Mastodon was more interested in doing its own thing and being as close to Twitter as it could than in sticking to a protocol spec, much less connecting to non-Mastodon stuff such as Hubzilla with which it already shared two protocols now.

Mastodon was the one that added Webfinger. ActivityPub doesn't even require Webfinger. The ActivityPub spec doesn't contain Webfinger. But Mastodon requires Webfinger. It can't live without Webfinger. So everything that wants to properly federate with Mastodon needs to implement Webfinger.

After ActivityPub had become a standard, more projects adopted it. But as lax a specification as ActivityPub is, it allowed for a lot of liberties.

Some devs looked at how Mastodon had integrated ActivityPub, decided it was rubbish and did it their own way.

Some devs looked at how Mastodon had integrated ActivityPub, decided they couldn't do it the same way because what they did was too different from Mastodon and did it their own way.

Some devs didn't look at what anyone else did and did it their own way.

Probably none of them looked at how Hubzilla had integrated ActivityPub because none of them even knew that Hubzilla existed. Except for those who were maintaining Friendica now. And Friendica had to make it compatible with DFRN and with the way it had been working since 2010.

Fast-forward to 2023. Mike's current piece of work was the streams repository which contains an intentionally nameless fork of a fork of three forks of a fork (of a fork) of Hubzilla, slimmed down from Hubzilla, but modernised and technologically even more advanced.

It was then that @silverpill, creator and maintainer of Mitra, got into contact with him because he wanted to add nomadic identity to Mitra. Something that's built on ActivityPub and only supports ActivityPub. A first. No-one had ever done nomadic identity with nothing but ActivityPub before.

So the two started working on how to implement nomadic identity using only ActivityPub. Mike had a vision of a Fediverse with nomadic identity all over and Fediverse identities cloned beyond server application borders. Like, a (streams) channel cloned to Mitra, Mastodon, PeerTube and Mobilizon, all with the same identity.

This, however, required another, brand-new way of identifying Fediverse actors. And so FEP-ef61 "Portable Objects" was created.

We're probably in the middle of xkcd 927 now.

Mike set up an experimental branch of (streams) to develop and test nomadic identity via ActivityPub, also since (streams) already had nomadic identity anyway.

Around summer, the "nomadic" branch (for nomadic identity via ActivityPub) seemed reliable enough to merge it into "dev". And in July, "dev" was merged into "release", complete with nomadic-identity-via-ActivityPub code.

It was shortly after that merge that I created my two (streams) channels. The channel URL of my channel for Fediverse memes is https://streams.elsmussols.net/channel/fedimemes_on_streams. But its DID, which all channels created on accounts registered after that merge got, is https://streams.elsmussols.net/.well-known/apgateway/did:⁠key:z6Mkf2dhUa65zBYCNVqs3AHyt8uPixauZ7bPzEJn15LJANsd/actor. And that's only two IDs of the same channel. There are also others for (streams)' native Nomad protocol, Hubzilla's Zot6 protocol, ActivityPub, OAuth, OAuth2 and probably also OpenWebAuth magic single sign-on, another one of Mike's creations. Not to mention that (streams) channels, like Hubzilla channels and Friendica accounts, can also optionally be group actors.

In fact, this blew up into (streams) users' faces because (streams) confused the various IDs to such degrees that it wouldn't federate at all anymore. It took Mike a whole lot of work to iron this out again, so much that he officially retired from Fediverse development on August 31st.

And in the middle of this, he even created yet another fork, Forte, which is (streams) minus Nomad, minus Zot6, based on and supporting only ActivityPub. My guess is still that one of the reasons to create Forte at that point was to get rid of the Nomad and Zot6 IDs to sort the ID mess out.

Even if nomadic identity via ActivityPub should ever become stable and start spreading, I don't expect DIDs to become the one norm in the Fediverse. Not with all those barely or unmaintained projects and those devs who refuse to acknowledge that devs of other projects do great stuff, too.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #OStatus #DFRN #Zot #ActivityPub #Nomad #Laconi.ca #Identi.ca #StatusNet #GNUsocial #Friendica #Hubzilla #Mastodon #Pleroma #Streams #(streams) #Forte #FEP_ef61
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A fin de diciembre cierra el nodo de #gnusocial en el cual estoy hace muchos años y en el cual estuve más que cómodo con la cuenta @argentux.

Este mes que le queda lo usaré como mudanza a esta cuenta, tendré unas cajas por acá y otras por allá en el mientras tanto 😆 .
#Presentación por cambio de red.

He venido usando cuentas en el #Fediverso, principalmente en #GNUSocial. Y antes en Identi.ca y otras. La última @colegota. Pero ese servidor cierra el 31/12/2024 por lo que migro mi cuenta a esta de #Akkoma en #Disroot.

El tiempo que dedico a redes no es mucho ni constante. Por lo que, al menos de momento, voy a reducir el número de cuentas que seguía. Si no devuelvo seguimientos, es probable que publiques más de lo que pueda leer cada vez que conecto. Nada personal.

A lo que más tiempo dedico es a la #huerta. Y eso se verá por aquí. Como mi interés por la #Agroecología.
En lo social. Los movimientos sociales y la #autogestión.

Uso #SoftwareLibre. Preocupado por la #Seguridad y sobre todo por la #Privacidad. Siempre me han encantado los #mapas y procuro colaborar con #OpenStreetmap.

Cuando puedo, hago viajes por libre. Me encanta descubrir e imbuirme en otras culturas y territorios, y conocer sus gentes. Procuro impactar lo menos posible, aunque soy consciente de que es difícil.

Y, cosas guays aparte, tengo un montón de defectos. Algunos de los cuales iréis descubriendo por aquí.
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