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ah hier ab firefox 137, 01.04.25
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/137.0/releasenotes/
https://support.mozilla.org/de/kb/tab-groups [noch unübersetzt]
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@nekohayo Sigh.
Firefox's reputation is in ashes
Only in the minds of peeps more influenced by #FUD than facts. 
tab workspaces (a.k.a. tab groups
Workspaces are not the same as tab groups. #FirefoxNightly has had viable native #TabGroups now for several weeks [for both H & V tab arrangements], but still has no #Workspaces. If you want actual proper literal Workspaces, you need to use any of Vivaldi, #Floorp, or #ZenBrowser. However, be aware:
- Zen is only based on FF 136, so unlike Nightly, atm does NOT have properly working Tab Groups.
- Floorp 11 is based on FF ESR, so uses its own in-house #VerticalTabs, & has no tab groups [but good Workspaces]
- Floorp 12 is atm in Beta, is based on FF 136, so does have FF's native vertical tabs, but like Zen, atm its Tab Groups are very broken [like they also once were in Nightly, but now are good, so eventually they will also come good here]. It does have Workspaces already, but atm they & many other features in this early Beta are not working properly.
Absolutely #InLove with #Sidebery:
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/sidebery/
https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery
#Mozilla #Firefox #AddOn that implements #VerticalTabs #TabGroups and an extremely powerful and incredibly simple navigation resources, full of efficiency. For anyone that work with more than 10 #tabs.
#FreeSoftware #LibreSoftware #FLOSS #MIT #Internet #Browser #Favs
addons.mozilla.orgSidebery – Get this Extension for 🦊 Firefox (en-US)Download Sidebery for Firefox. Vertical tabs tree and bookmarks in sidebar with advanced containers configuration, grouping and many other features.
I've loved using the superb AO #Sidebery in my 
for many years. Nevertheless i have been keeping an eye on the FF Devs' progress with native #VerticalTabs in #FirefoxNightly over the past several months. A couple of days ago i decided to create a new profile [using the new Profile paradigm in Nightly], into which i installed all the same AOs [except ofc not Sidebery this time], copied across all my bookmarks, passwords, form data etc, to basically replicate my familiar browsing setup except this time with the native VTs & #TabGroups.
I've used this new profile instead of my usual Sidebery profile for the past day, to do all my normal browsing, so i can get a good feel for the viability or not of this native paradigm. Sidebery's hierarchical infinitely-nestable tree-structure is vastly superior to any & all simple flat tab-groups paradigms like Vivaldi, Floorp, Zen, & Chromium... & now also Nightly, but i'm trying to be tenacious & tolerate it so i can make it a worthy IRL comparison test.
However what's highly irritating is the profligate waste of vertical space of these native VTs compared to Sidebery; see pic. Multiple times i have launched the Nightly #BrowserToolbox UI & tried to discover the specific css code controlling the huge padding & excessive vertical height of these tabs, so i can drastically reduce it in my #userChromeCSS... but each time it seems to evade me [i'm not very good at this].
Can any actual Devs or otherwise keen FF UI modders please point me to the code in question?
![Side-by-side vertical tabs columns of Firefox Nightly profiles. LHS is with Sidebery active, RHS is with the native FF Vertical Tabs. Towards the top on each side are the Pinned Tabs, which are desirably small & compact on LHS, but undesirably large [wide & tall] on RHS, thus taking up much more space. Below the PTs are five normal tabs, same sites on both sides. The LHS is vertically desirably compact, whereas again the RHS is ridiculously wasteful of vertical space, being far taller & more padded.](https://media.infosec.space/infosec-space/media_attachments/files/113/927/841/180/684/806/original/371844e73dd15707.png "Side-by-side vertical tabs columns of Firefox Nightly profiles. LHS is with Sidebery active, RHS is with the native FF Vertical Tabs. Towards the top on each side are the Pinned Tabs, which are desirably small & compact on LHS, but undesirably large [wide & tall] on RHS, thus taking up much more space. Below the PTs are five normal tabs, same sites on both sides. The LHS is vertically desirably compact, whereas again the RHS is ridiculously wasteful of vertical space, being far taller & more padded.")
Mozilla has been talking a lot about AI, which I personally don't care much for. Luckily, that doesn't appear to be coming at the cost of Firefox development, because there are a couple of features coming up that I'm pretty excited about! The following are all available in Nightly already.
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