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DB 🌱💦<p>One of Israel's most prominent public intellectuals, Tom Segev, just said in an interview with Haaretz:</p><p>"At the age of 80 I'm starting to think that maybe it wasn't right from the outset, the whole Zionist thing... So Zionism is not such a great success story. It also doesn't provide security to Jews. It's safer for Jews to live outside Israel."</p><p><a href="https://todon.eu/tags/TomSegev" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TomSegev</span></a> <a href="https://todon.eu/tags/Israel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Israel</span></a> <a href="https://todon.eu/tags/Zionism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Zionism</span></a> <a href="https://todon.eu/tags/FreePalestine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FreePalestine</span></a></p>
DB 🌱💦<p>One of Israel's most prominent public intellectuals, Tom Segev, just said in an interview with Haaretz:</p><p>"At the age of 80 I'm starting to think that maybe it wasn't right from the outset, the whole Zionist thing... So Zionism is not such a great success story. It also doesn't provide security to Jews. It's safer for Jews to live outside Israel."</p><p><a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/TomSegev" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TomSegev</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/Israel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Israel</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/Zionism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Zionism</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/FreePalestine" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FreePalestine</span></a></p>
kriykat<p>The Catastrophic Resolution<br><a href="https://consortiumnews.com/2025/02/14/the-catastrophic-resolution/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">consortiumnews.com/2025/02/14/</span><span class="invisible">the-catastrophic-resolution/</span></a><br>The U.N.&amp;#8217;s process on the partition of Palestine led to mass ethnic cleansing, stark inequality, perpetual fear and genocidal war, writes Stefan Moore. By Stefan Moore Special to Consortium News Donald Trump’s absurd, immoral and flagrantly illegal plans to acquire&amp;#8230;<br><a href="https://gs.leftic.club/tags/Politics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Politics</span></a> <a href="https://gs.leftic.club/tags/Books" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Books</span></a> <a href="https://gs.leftic.club/tags/Colonialism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Colonialism</span></a> <a href="https://gs.leftic.club/tags/Commentary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Commentary</span></a> <a href="https://gs.leftic.club/tags/HumanRights" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HumanRights</span></a> <a href="https://gs.leftic.club/tags/Israel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" 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好好引用<p>犹太学者的纠结:「只有神话级灾难, 才能打破各方『复国主义』幻想」? | 文化纵横</p><p>2024-05-03 慧诺(译) 文化纵横 <br><a href="https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/q8lxKQBe9L7TsplaWWozRw" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">mp.weixin.qq.com/s/q8lxKQBe9L7</span><span class="invisible">TsplaWWozRw</span></a><br><a href="https://alive.bar/tags/TomSegev" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TomSegev</span></a> <a href="https://alive.bar/tags/ForeignAffairs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ForeignAffairs</span></a> <a href="https://alive.bar/tags/%E4%BB%A5%E5%B7%B4%E6%88%98%E4%BA%89" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>以巴战争</span></a> <a href="https://alive.bar/tags/%E6%96%87%E5%8C%96%E7%BA%B5%E6%A8%AA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>文化纵横</span></a></p><p>【导读】<br>近日,在埃及方面的斡旋下,以色列提出了两阶段的新停火方案。巴勒斯坦伊斯兰抵抗运动(哈马斯)也表示正在“以积极态度”进行研究。然而另一方面,美国政府高票通过“反犹太主义意识法案”,给冲突解决的长远预期增加了不确定性。有评论指出,由于若干关键问题难达成协议,持续的停火似乎难以实现。那么,过去一百年来,为何所谓”<a href="https://alive.bar/tags/%E4%B8%A4%E5%9B%BD%E6%96%B9%E6%A1%88" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>两国方案</span></a>“始终难以落地?若巴以双方能够达成停火协议,究竟能维持多久?关于阿拉伯和以色列的冲突,问题的根源究竟在哪里?</p><p>作为一名出生于1945年的犹太人,历史学家Tom Segev经历了以色列的建国初期以及此后的数次巴以(阿以)冲突,长期观察和研究犹太人对于巴勒斯坦的问题的真实态度。他在本文中指出,从始至终,巴以双方最深刻的诉求不是具体的利益和精心策划的策略,而是充满神话色彩的宗教信仰,包括暴力原教旨主义、“弥赛亚式”的偏见、幻想、抽象符号以及根深蒂固的焦虑。正是冲突的这种非理性特征,让双方的矛盾始终无法得到彻底解决。近百年以来各个版本的所谓“两国方案”也并没有回应这个根本冲突。</p><p>作者认为,自开国总理本-古里安以来,以色列精英一直都清楚问题的症结。因此,以色列人的主流实操就是:用各种手段,尽可能多地获取土地,并在其中安置尽可能多的犹太人;对于该地区的阿拉伯人,必须严格控制其数量,可以将其“转移”到其他地区,最终实现一个无阿拉伯人居住的领土。此后,以色列在数次战争中的军事优势,也与其宗教和民族情绪相互激荡,最终导致了其占领阿拉伯耶路撒冷的致命决定——这是巴以双方几乎无法妥协的底线。</p><p>然而,本文也指出,是阿拉伯人的软弱,而非以色列的“强大力量”,导致以色列能进一步占领土地。随着埃及和约旦两个阿拉伯国家实质上放弃了对东耶路撒冷、加沙和西岸地区巴勒斯坦人的支持,使其成为了中东地区“永恒的孤儿”。与此同时,缺乏绝对的力量压制,这也意味着地区冲突无法被完全解决,唯一能做的就是“冲突管理”,现总理内塔尼亚胡的表现相比所有前任都尤为逊色。出于傲慢和自大,内塔尼亚胡试图用金钱收买哈马斯领导人,但这些资金中的大部分却被用于购买火箭弹,成为危害以色列安全的不稳定因素。</p><p>如今,“复国主义”承载着巴以人民各自的信仰,这些绝对的立场正是集体身份的核心,任何形式的妥协都可能被视为对民族和宗教的背叛,会遭到重要选民的谴责(乃至刺杀)。若要试图调停当前加沙战争,各国不应再追求一种所谓“持续的和平”,而要引导巴以双方重新找到一种相对安全的共存方式。</p><p>本文为文化纵横新媒体原创编译系列“重点区域国家的内情与远略”之十二,编译自《<a href="https://alive.bar/tags/%E5%A4%96%E4%BA%A4%E4%BA%8B%E5%8A%A1" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>外交事务</span></a>》(Foreign Affairs)杂志4月23日最新文章《以色列永恒的战争:“管理”而非“解决”冲突的悠久历史》(Israel’s Forever War: The Long History of Managing—Rather Than Solving—the Conflict)。文章仅代表作者观点,供读者参考辨析。</p>
Christophe Neff<p><a href="https://social.sciences.re/tags/Israel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Israel</span></a> nach dem Massaker vom 7. Oktober<br>»Die Begriffe Apartheid oder Kolonialismus verstehe ich als intellektuelle Faulheit«<br>Den israelischen Historiker <a href="https://social.sciences.re/tags/TomSegev" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TomSegev</span></a> erinnert das <a href="https://social.sciences.re/tags/Hamas" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Hamas</span></a>-Massaker an den <a href="https://social.sciences.re/tags/Holocaust" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Holocaust</span></a>, und bei den Bildern aus dem <a href="https://social.sciences.re/tags/Gazastreifen" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Gazastreifen</span></a> denkt er an die Bombardierung Dresdens. Und er wundert sich manchmal über die deutsche Israel-Debatte. <a href="https://social.sciences.re/tags/derSpiegel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>derSpiegel</span></a> <a href="https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/tom-segev-ueber-israel-die-begriffe-apartheid-oder-kolonialismus-verstehe-ich-als-intellektuelle-faulheit-a-afa4ad20-3cf9-43f8-b853-ed17bea3cf41" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">spiegel.de/ausland/tom-segev-u</span><span class="invisible">eber-israel-die-begriffe-apartheid-oder-kolonialismus-verstehe-ich-als-intellektuelle-faulheit-a-afa4ad20-3cf9-43f8-b853-ed17bea3cf41</span></a></p>