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SPdevALK 🐘️ ☑️<a href="https://mastodon.social/@Fjatke" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Fjatke</a> Nee, je kan ook <a href="https://mas.to/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Jabber</a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/Monal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Monal</a> of wat dan ook voor decentrale oplossing gebruiken, maar aub… laat Amerikaanse tech links liggen…DeltaChat is gewoon het meest eenvoudig in gebruik. Zelfs oma kon het zelf instellen.

Prav App<a href="https://venera.social/search?tag=XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>, <a href="https://venera.social/search?tag=Conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Conversations</a>, <a href="https://venera.social/search?tag=Monal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Monal</a> stickers at <a href="https://venera.social/search?tag=PravConf" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PravConf</a>!<a href="https://venera.social/search?tag=FreeSoftware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FreeSoftware</a> <a href="https://venera.social/search?tag=Prav" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Prav</a> <a href="https://venera.social/search?tag=OpenSource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OpenSource</a>

Marc<a href="https://c.im/@sbb" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@sbb</a> <a href="https://todon.eu/@ljrk" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ljrk</a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/@chiraag" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@chiraag</a> <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@tortie" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@tortie</a> <a href="https://vis.social/@waeiski" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@waeiski</a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Mer__edith</a><blockquote>but alas, the <a href="https://toot.framboiserouge.fr/tags/ios" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#iOS</a> and <a href="https://toot.framboiserouge.fr/tags/macos" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MacOS</a> clients aren't the greatest at present</blockquote><a href="https://toot.framboiserouge.fr/tags/monal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Monal</a> by <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@Monal" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Monal</a> is <a href="https://monal-im.org/post/00013-nlnet-funding2/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">working at improving their UI</a> and adding reactions and replies<a href="https://toot.framboiserouge.fr/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> <a href="https://toot.framboiserouge.fr/tags/jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Jabber</a> <a href="https://toot.framboiserouge.fr/tags/ios" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#iOS</a> <a href="https://toot.framboiserouge.fr/tags/macos" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MacOS</a>

EverstenMonal-Einrichtung unter iOS - Schritt 4: Mit dem Chatten beginnen <a href="https://clip.place/videos/watch/4a42b7ac-222c-4442-ab46-a8301dbfc848" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://clip.place/videos/watch/4a42b7ac-222c-4442-ab46-a8301dbfc848</a>

EverstenMonal-Einrichtung unter iOS - Schritt 3: Erläuterung der Grundeinstellungen <a href="https://clip.place/videos/watch/566f2bad-b4a0-4fda-bb19-9e473b14d7fa" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://clip.place/videos/watch/566f2bad-b4a0-4fda-bb19-9e473b14d7fa</a>

EverstenMonal-Einrichtung unter iOS - Schritt 2: Profileinstellungen vornehmen <a href="https://clip.place/videos/watch/99112b7a-5847-4a70-b7c8-a6572beead24" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://clip.place/videos/watch/99112b7a-5847-4a70-b7c8-a6572beead24</a>

EverstenMonal-Einrichtung unter iOS - Schritt 1: Installation und Anlegen der XMPP-Adresse <a href="https://clip.place/videos/watch/b3f3f2aa-a430-4c31-9497-489651b4d3b1" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://clip.place/videos/watch/b3f3f2aa-a430-4c31-9497-489651b4d3b1</a>

Bhante Subharo<a href="https://eldritch.cafe/@feudjais" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@feudjais</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@Tutanota" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Tutanota</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> is a good replacement *if you are not using <a href="https://c.im/tags/iOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#iOS</a> or <a href="https://c.im/tags/MacOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MacOS</a>*. The XMPP clients for iOS and MacOS aren't mature enough yet, IMHO. <a href="https://c.im/@sbb/114027670056473874" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://c.im/@sbb/114027670056473874</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/Monal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Monal</a>

Stefan<a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> auf dem Mobil funktioniert auf <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=android" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Android</a> super! <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Conversations</a> ist eine richtig gute Anwendung. <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=dino" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Dino</a> auf dem Linux Phone ist noch so eine Sache,... Für <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=chatty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#chatty</a> auf einem Linux Phone versuche ich gerade etwas zu bauen - das wird aber auch noch dauern. Das funktioniert aktuell nicht ganz so gut. Ich chatte auch mit Leuten die <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=monal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Monal</a> verwenden. Ich selber kann dazu aber nichts sagen, weil ich es selber nicht verwende. Geht aber wohl auch ganz gut. CC: <a href="https://framapiaf.org/users/debacle" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@debacle@framapiaf.org</a> <a href="https://bonn.social/users/ulrichkelber" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ulrichkelber@bonn.social</a>

Bhante Subharo<a href="https://snikket.de/social/menel" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@menel</a> Thanks! Their blog mentioned there is some funding from NLnet for Monal. That's great. It also occurred to me the Github issues for <a href="https://c.im/tags/Monal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Monal</a> are public: <a href="https://github.com/monal-im/Monal/issues" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://github.com/monal-im/Monal/issues</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xmpp</a>

Bhante Subharo<a href="https://c.im/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> enthusiasts out there: what would you say the ultimate Achilles heel of the XMPP ecosystem is, at present? Fragmentation of clients? What?My sense is that it's this: when one goes to store an XMPP address in one's addressbook, there doesn't seem to be standard way to store an XMPP address. <a href="https://c.im/tags/Android" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Android</a> doesn't have that as an allowable field, and <a href="https://c.im/tags/Thunderbird" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Thunderbird</a> and <a href="https://c.im/tags/Nextcloud" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Nextcloud</a> have an "Instant Messaging" field, where the type can be set to "XMPP". But are these two compatible with each other when trying to sync between them? Edit: Yes, but there's a catch: *the XMPP address must be prefixed with "xmpp:"*So "user@foo.bar" is not an OK XMPP address, but "<a href="xmpp:user@foo.bar" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">xmpp:user@foo.bar</a>" is.Then to make matters worse, now there's a wish to change the labeling of "XMPP Address" to "Chat ID": <a href="https://gultsch.social/@daniel/114012904576436518" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://gultsch.social/@daniel/114012904576436518</a>It might be a long time before the address synchy-ness ever works again between Android <-> <a href="https://c.im/tags/Davx5" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Davx5</a> <-> Nextcloud <->ThunderbirdNote: Android allows a "Jabber" type for an IM address, where you *don't* prefix the address with "xmpp:". (<a href="https://c.im/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> gets to gloat hard here, as they have plain-old email addresses)<a href="https://c.im/tags/prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#prosody</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#conversations</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gajim</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/dino" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#dino</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/snikket" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#snikket</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/monocles" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#monocles</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/monal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#monal</a>

leChris :mastodon:<a href="https://mastodon.social/@eliasp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@eliasp</a> Es gibt nicht nur Signal. Siehe Artikel & Empfehlungen (abhängig von Sicherheitsbedürfnis & Vertraulichkeit) - Quelle: <a href="https://www.kuketz-blog.de/messenger-matrix-uebersicht-vergleich-der-aktuellen-messenger/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.kuketz-blog.de/messenger-matrix-uebersicht-vergleich-der-aktuellen-messenger/</a>Folgende Messenger haben eine Empfehlung bekommen - hier zusammengefasst nach <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Zielgruppe" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Zielgruppe</a>, <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Herkunft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Herkunft</a> & <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Betriebssystem" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Betriebssystem</a> (<a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Mobil" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mobil</a> / <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Desktop" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Desktop</a>):1) <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Threema" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Threema</a> - <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Einsteiger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Einsteiger</a> - <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Schweiz" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Schweiz</a> - für iOS & Android & Desktop (Win, macOS, GNU/Linux) 2) <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Signal</a> - Einsteiger - <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/USA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#USA</a> - für iOS & Android & Desktop (Win, macOS, GNU/Linux) 3) <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Monal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Monal</a> (<a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>) - <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Fortgeschrittene" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fortgeschrittene</a> - US / DE - für iOS & Desktop (macOS) - siehe <a href="https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_XMPP-Clients" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_XMPP-Clients</a> 4) <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Element" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Element</a> (<a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Matrix</a>) - Fortgeschrittene - <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/GB" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GB</a> / <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/DE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DE</a> - für iOS & Desktop (diverse Clients für Win, macOS, GNU/Linux - siehe <a href="https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/</a>) 5) <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Conversations</a> (XMPP) - Fortgeschrittene - DE - für Android (siehe <a href="https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_XMPP-Clients" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_XMPP-Clients</a>) 6) <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Briar" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Briar</a> - Nerds, Aktivisten, Journalisten - int. Team - für Android und Desktop (Win, macOS, GNU/Linux)Link zur Messenger - Matrix: <a href="https://www.messenger-matrix.de/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.messenger-matrix.de/</a><a href="https://climatejustice.social/@OhWeh" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@OhWeh</a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@signalapp</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@threemaapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@threemaapp</a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/@inaruck" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@inaruck</a>

methuselah<a href="https://toot.io/@justin" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@justin</a> yes. Few softwares are even help you to connect with family and friends as well for chat and stay away from big tech <a href="https://toot.io/tags/conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#conversations</a> <a href="https://toot.io/tags/gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gajim</a> <a href="https://toot.io/tags/dino" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#dino</a> <a href="https://toot.io/tags/monal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#monal</a> <a href="https://toot.io/tags/mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mastodon</a>

StefanEs gibt sehr viele gute Software. In der Familie sind für uns XMPP Clients ganz wichtig. Wir verwenden diese zum chatten, telefonieren, video calls. In der Familie wird meist der Andorid Client <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Conversations</a> verwendet oder <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=monal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Monal</a> für iOS. Ich selber verwende <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=profanity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#profanity</a> und <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gajim</a>. Die Kinder verwenden <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=dino" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#dino</a>. Die Server <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#prosody</a> und <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=ejabberd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ejabberd</a> dürfen auch nicht fehlen. Vielen Dank an die XMPP Community! <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=ilovefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ILoveFS</a> <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Jabber</a> <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=messenger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Messenger</a> <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=freesoftware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FreeSoftware</a>

MenelHi <a href="https://mastodon.social/users/KileyT" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@KileyT@mastodon.social</a> welcome, This is a complicated topic all in all. Signal is much much better then any other centalized chat provider out there, well there is threema too, which is comparable and not located in a country that has a fashist coup currently. The main critic on centralized services like signal is, that is is in fact one central entity and you have to trust them and all data of every user goes through that single vendor. Signal does some things to minimize the data they know about you, but in the end they still have data of all connections of every user and it wouldn't be hard to deanonymize users and also who talks to who, if the server were compromised. (still better then whatsapp, since they use the data for marketing now and not hypothetically) With xmpp you don't have to trust a single entity. You still have to trust your server operator, but you can choose them yourself (or be them yourself). You also can choose your client (the program you use to interact) That's about it. If you want a foot in the door of a federated service like xmpp without the initial friction, you can use quicksy, it is in the apple store too and it is nearly monal, but you register with your phone number and people can find you like the do with whatsapp and signal. But you register again on only one server. But normal monal users or users with other clients (on android the client could be "conversations" for example) can still talk to you from any server. If you use monal they need to know your xmpp ID ( name@servername.org ), same as an email address. You could find some curated list of recommended servers at <a href="https://joinjabber.org/docs/servers/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://joinjabber.org/docs/servers/</a> Selfhosting is an option too, or managed selfhosting, they have some links for that too. If you are already registered you can find some public rooms at <a href="https://search.jabber.network" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://search.jabber.network</a> It isn't easy to start with this. Signal is still better then many others. But if you want to go on with the xmpp adventure it would be great 👍😀 <a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xmpp</a> <a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#jabber</a> <a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=federation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#federation</a> <a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=messenger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#messenger</a> <a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#conversations</a> <a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=monal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#monal</a> <a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#quicksy</a> <a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=snikket" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#snikket</a>

Bhante SubharoAfter taking a closer look at <a href="https://c.im/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> clients for the <a href="https://c.im/tags/linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#linux</a> desktop, there's this frustrating "tie" for finding a favorite. <a href="https://c.im/tags/Dino" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Dino</a>, which is likeable for being able to do video and audio calls, only has limited support for multi-user chat (complete with fancy moderation tools). These audio and video calls it can do are AMD64-only at this time.<a href="https://c.im/tags/Gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gajim</a>, which is likeable for being able to do multi-user chat well (with great moderation tools), alas, can't do audio and video calls to the other XMPP clients (like, say, <a href="https://c.im/tags/Conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Conversations</a>, as they use a newer <a href="https://c.im/tags/WebRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WebRTC</a>-based method now).So there's this strange situation where one is tempted to use both at the same time.My takeaway is that <a href="https://c.im/tags/Conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Conversations</a> for <a href="https://c.im/tags/Android" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Android</a> is the only xmpp client that I would possibly and carefully recommend to family and friends at this time, as it can cover all of the above. (<a href="https://c.im/tags/Monal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Monal</a> on <a href="https://c.im/tags/iOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#iOS</a>/#MacOS only has "partial" support for Multi-user chat, BTW.)Yes I'm aware of the existence of Snikket, Quicksy, and Prav. No need to chime in on those.

Bhante Subharo<a href="https://chaos.social/@famfo" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@famfo</a> I looked at the "XMPP Software Comparison" page: <a href="https://xmpp.org/software/software-comparison/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://xmpp.org/software/software-comparison/</a> ...and put my 4 favorite <a href="https://c.im/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> clients in there: <a href="https://c.im/tags/Conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Conversations</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/Gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gajim</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/Dino" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Dino</a> and <a href="https://c.im/tags/Monal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Monal</a>. It compares compatibility across many XEPs. Alas, when it comes to <a href="https://c.im/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a>, no distinction is made as to the version of OMEMO.

Neustradamus :xmpp: :linux:<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Monal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Monal</a> 6.4.10 has been released (<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/MonalIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MonalIM</a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Jabber</a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Apple" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Apple</a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/iPhone" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#iPhone</a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/iOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#iOS</a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/iPad" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#iPad</a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/iPadOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#iPadOS</a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Mac" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mac</a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/MacOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MacOS</a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/MacOSX" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MacOSX</a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a>) <a href="https://monal.im/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://monal.im/</a>

maple<a href="https://mastodon.social/@joshim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@joshim</a> I took a quick look at mov.im and if you are willing to use someone else's server that one may be a good choice, since they don't ask for much and in particular they don't appear to ask for a phone number! If they are truly free to use, then if people want to use <a href="https://hear-me.social/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xmpp</a> but don't want to self host that's probably one of the best places to send them.I would personally recommend <a href="https://hear-me.social/tags/Gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gajim</a> rather than <a href="https://hear-me.social/tags/Monal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Monal</a> but then again I never use a phone for that type of messaging, so I don't know if Gajim is even available for phones.I'm going to spoil <a href="https://mastodon.social/@uexo" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@uexo</a> 's day and say this might even be easy enough for many non-techie types. I'm surprised the <a href="https://hear-me.social/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xmpp</a> proponents don't mention it more often. Then you only have to overcome the problem than many people have never heard of xmpp, so may or may not trust it.

contrapunctus ✊🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️<a href="https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mastodonmigration</a> Obligatory reminder that <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Signal</a> relies on a centralized and proprietary server, and does not belong here.Users of <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/WhatsApp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WhatsApp</a> <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Telegram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Telegram</a> <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Discord</a> <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Signal</a> and <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Threema" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Threema</a> etc should use <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> instead, which is <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/FreeSoftware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FreeSoftware</a> and federated.Users - check out <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Quicksy</a> (Android and iOS), <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Prav" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Prav</a>, <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Conversations</a>, <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Cheogram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Cheogram</a>, <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/MonoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MonoclesChat</a>, <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gajim</a>, <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Movim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Movim</a>, <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Monal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Monal</a>...Self-hosters, check out <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Snikket" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Snikket</a>.Learn more with this user's guide - <a href="https://contrapunctus.codeberg.page/the-quick-and-easy-guide-to-xmpp.html" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://contrapunctus.codeberg.page/the-quick-and-easy-guide-to-xmpp.html</a>

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