@Ninjatrappeur In some cases the new system can result in higher fees than the old one, yes. However Liberapay is still designed to avoid high fee percentages, so the average should be below 5%. Also, recipients outside Europe may actually get lower fees than with Mangopay.

@Liberapay Did you drop the whole wallet system for technical reasons or was it a deliberate choice?

To me, it looked like a good idea.

@Ninjatrappeur Wallets are a legal nightmare, they're so similar to bank accounts that in the EU only licensed payment institutions are allowed to provide them. We could have tried to migrate from Mangopay to another European e-wallet provider, but that basically meant abandoning our non-European users.

@Liberapay I see. Thanks for the answer :)

@Liberapay So we won't see anything more privacy-friendly then the two? Many of us who have setup Liberapay to support our FOSS projects have strong objections towards Paypal. And from what I've heard so far, Stripe isn't really that much better.

I know it's not your fault that Mangopay closed its doors on you. But the current situation is quite disappointing. Refusing the two, many of us cannot receive funding via Liberapay now.

@IzzyOnDroid @Liberapay agreed. #PayPal (& #Venmo) is $hit & nothing more than a clearinghouse for finavial data to sell our financial transactions to #databrokers. & #Stripe is #Twitter (owned by Jack) but for your transactions too. #Privacy

@baldo PayPal is pretty much unavoidable. You may not like it but it allows Liberapay to be used by creators in more than 200 countries, and we had received several requests to add support for PayPal in the past.

@Liberapay Problem is: Instead of working towards an alternative this will make even more people move towards Paypal.

@baldo Fleeing PayPal isn't the solution, if they're mishandling personal data then the GDPR can and should be used to make them stop.

@Liberapay @baldo I'm not sure I agree? If a company isn't working in your interest and is powerful enough (paypal definitely is), legislation is never going to completely stop them. It's logistically impossible for privacy law to be exhaustive, not to mention more often than not with the GDPR it's only protecting those in the EU since many companies have chosen to only follow its regulations when visited by those from countries in the EU (or even just block access from said countries because it's no longer profitable for them to allow it)

@Liberapay @baldo that said, I know there's not a simple solution here and that y'all have been working hard just to get everything back up and running, so thank you for that. I'd just like to see movement toward a more privacy-friendly future of Liberapay if possible, now that it's back up and running

@pea @Liberapay @baldo gotta take into account a bit that people can use Stripe as alternative? Tbh don't know how the conditions compare.