Centralized tech platforms are "handmaidens to authoritarianism"
- Carole Cadwalladr, who exposed the illegal facebook ads around

Democracy is threatened by too much power in the hands of just a few tech platforms!

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The video itself is spreading misinformation, starting from "EU funded this and that" while the UK pays more into the EU budget than it gets back and with Brexit they just voted to spend more for themselves and decide independently where to spend.

For example in 2017 the UK government paid ยฃ13 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be ยฃ4 billion. So the UKโ€™s โ€˜net contributionโ€™ was estimated at nearly ยฃ9 billion.

@alexl @nextcloud ... Which is in some ways missing the point of EU membership. That of pooling resources and assigning priorities to development projects that benefit the greater whole, than just a single nation/member.

But so many people miss this, and instead focus on "what we get back" instead of what we can contribute to the greater good.


No, you don't help other nations this way, quite the opposite. A sovereign nation can issue all the money it wants. Every nation must aim at self-sufficiency (Keynes, father of macroeconomics) while the neoliberism of the EU leads to intensify international trade. What must be shared is knowledge and technology (Keynes, again).

@alexl Can nations can only accept financial help if they do not aspire to be self sufficient?

Could you explain to the cheap seats how (a) the EU is neoliberalist and (b) how as a direct consequence that intensifies their interests in international trade?

@doweio "financial help" is a nonsense for a nation that can issue its money (that is basically why macroeconomics is totally different from (micro)economics...)

You can read the essay "National Self-Sufficiency" (1933) by Keynes about the problem of international free trade and his books for more technical details on macroeconomics

About EU being neoliberist, it's quite obvious from the treaties, EU is incarnation of neoliberism and designed to be so like USSR was for communism

@doweio in the EU treaties you can even read that EU is designed to guarantee a free market with the highest economic competition among nations (because, you know, competition is considered a value in neoliberist ideology)

@alexl I'm enjoying this discussion :)

But I don't understand how a free market trading country can be self sufficient without being competitive?

@doweio in fact international free trade inevitably lead to competition between nations, that instead should be above the economy, not submit to it, otherwise economic power easily become political power and instead of democracy we have capitalism (not to be confused with market economy)

The principle is that if something can be produced locally it should. The international exchanges should be a minimum without creating competition between nations


For example, selling and buying works of art abroad is OK. It is quite another thing to compete on export mass-produced goods such as smartphones by overwork the workers in their respective countries (that is what actual "free market" means)

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