WHEN is Mastodon going to let you set your post’s visibility to “Mutual Follows only”? (ie, people you follow and who also follow you).

I often want to post things that I don’t want every person who Follows me to see.

*** Is this a feature you want too? ***

@Christian that and circles (posting to a selected subset of followers) are a thing we are interested in, but they're a nightmare in term of UX and protocol design

Sure, why not! We can already make "lists" of users, so it would make sense if you could set a post's visibility to "Only show to [Insert list name here]"

@Christian @Claire
fediverse project that does this already is hubzilla. Not sure how useful that is to the discussion, since their UI/UX differs a lot to mastodon.

@paulfree14 @Claire Knowing that Mastodon team is interested in circles (follower subsets) makes me very happy! 👾 💚 Been waiting for 4 years. Apart from Hubzilla, both Friendica and diaspora have this feature. In Friendica choosing post privacy option is "hidden" in a tab. In diaspora it's a dropdown, just like Mastodon's "toot privacy". Maybe Mastodon's post form can have a three-dot button - "advanced post options" - with a list of all user's contact groups (subsets)

@lightone @paulfree14 authoring a new toot is the easiest part of the UX, where most of the issues lie is receiving and replying:
- do you know you received a message because you are in a circle? if so, do you know who is in the circle?
- if you do not know who is in that circle, who do you reply to?
- if you reply only to the author and mentioned people, do they know they are the only recipients or do they assume you wrote to the other members of the circle too?
- if you give the original author the power to relay the reply, it then means you have no idea who can potentially see your reply

@Claire Tough decisions. In diaspora model the answers to your questions are: 1. No, recipients are hidden, one can guess from comments who else sees it (but not necessarily full list of recipients) 2. To post author 3. It's assumed everyone who sees the post can take part in the thread. Diaspora auto-notifies all post recipients of all new answers in the thread if they liked or commented on it (can be disabled). 4. The original author has all the power (forgive me if you already know all this:)


@Claire In such a model initial author "invites a group of people to a tea party". Guests may choose not to react/answer, or may become part of the "party" (discussion in the thread under initial post). Any discussion (fully public or limited view) can in theory be potentially viewed by undesired somebody, I'm not sure there's a silver bullet against it. But such model of circles allowes to use it for things like posting in different languages to subsets of users from different countries, etc.

@lightone yeah, i imagined Diaspora worked a bit like that (but i hadn't checked), however in Mastodon's case the experience isn't really structured around “posts and comments”, replies are conceptually the same kind of objects as the post they reply to and that makes all these issues much more messy

@Claire Yeah, this Mastodon concept of "replies are the same kind of objects independent from initial post" did give some hard times to Friendica and Hubzilla who interoperate both with diaspora and Mastodon (so different protocols, and different concepts :) Still, technically these issues can be overcome, so now I'll dare to hope Mastodon will have "circles" in the future too. Thank you for this hope! :)

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