A new 2.9.8 release of @GIMP is now available (windows and macOS builds to follow)!

gimp.org/news/2017/12/12/gimp-

Have a look at some of the great new features (on-canvas gradient editing, clip warning, wayland support, paste in place, and more)!

#FOSS #FreeSoftware #tools #graphics #artwithopensource

@patdavid @GIMP I really wish we had Flatpaks for all the tools, including the development versions.

It's a bit ironic that it's much easier to install a lot of the FOSS graohics tools and the dev versions of all on Windows and macOS than it is on Linux. 😐

Hopefully that will change soon.

(I wonder if we should start a thread on the forum about it and ask people to help out?)

@garrett @patdavid @GIMP
I don't think flatpak is a solution, there are major issues with that approach and I recommend checking two things to get better idea:
Talk at GUADEC by openSUSE chairman Richard Brown youtube.com/watch?v=SPr--u4n8X

And this blog post about importance of distribution maintainers:
kmkeen.com/maintainers-matter

@gutigen @patdavid @GIMP Meanwhile, can you please point me to instructions for easily installing the following (at least as easy as it is on Win & Mac) on Linux:

- Darktable with support for my cameras's raw files (currently only available in source)
- unstable Gimp, as it supports high bit depth, etc.
- Rapid Downloader Pro
- HDRMerge

You can't, because they don't exist. So I have to try compile things from source. Flatpak would solve it.

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@GIMP @patdavid @gutigen I've used computers since I was a kid, Linux for more than 2 decades, am a software developer, have worked at Linux companies for nearly 2 decades — and still have problems compiling & updating some of these from source.

Fragmented distros with random DEBs & RPMs (if you're lucky) haven't solved the problems of app distribution. They're also not able to be sandboxed or installed & ran as a user.

This is why we need Flatpak.

@gutigen @patdavid @GIMP To be clear: I'm saying that it can be tough sometimes even for those of us with experience to compile everything from source. It definitely is time consuming too.

What about the majority of people who don't know the first thing about software development? What can they do?

By only releasing tarballs alongside EXEs & DMGs, you're saying to easily run open source software, they should switch to a proprietary operating system!

@garrett @patdavid @GIMP
Btw - solution is more maintainers working on distros packaging and better tools for them, which also has a lot of other benefits mentioned in blog post I linked earlier.

@gutigen @patdavid @GIMP That's the solution that's been in play for 3 decades. It isn't working (for everything) and doesn't scale (for the distros, developers, etc.).

@garrett @patdavid @GIMP
I trust maintainers more than developers to make sure all security patches and other measures are applied, not to mention compability issues that are not always solved by flatpak (often not from my experience so far).

I think it's important to differentiate between distributions, some might need flatpak cause they have bad packaging toolchain and not enough contributors (and incentives for them), others don't.

@garrett @GIMP @patdavid @gutigen why do you compare Flatpak with old/‘weak’ package managers. What about Guix/Nix?

I can install Nix on Debian/Arch/AndSoOn and install Darktable/Gimp/AndSoOn with it.

Why I ‘need Flatpak’ in this case?

@kmicu @gutigen @patdavid @GIMP @garrett

I now for sure that Darktable is in #Guix

As for Gimp, you could add a guix.scm file to its repository so you could easily build it on #GuixSD OR on any foreign distro with #Guix installed as a package

You could run

guix environment -f path/to/guix.scm

and you'd be in a shell prompt with ALL the Gimp deps available, you could develop Gimp in there

@garrett @GIMP @patdavid
Darktable and Rapid are in official openSUSE repositories, HDRMerge is not but there is OBS package. Maybe you should start using good distros :P

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