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🚨 Semi-urgent question regarding real project 🚨

You have co-developed an index of data on public projects that are aiming to make life-on-earth less bad. Your aim is to grow connections and networks to accelerate positive change ☮️

You want to give sympathetic projects and mappers access to the data; you want to restrict, as far as possible, commercial users profiting (e.g. targeted ads) without contributing 🕵️

What do you do? Explanations and boosts welcome! 👍

Thanks to everyone who voted, boosted or commented this poll! 🙇

I wasn't sure what the result would be; the broad spread indicates there is no 'consensus' answer 🔮 (I wonder what effect randomizing option display order would have had? 🎲)

The project in question is Murmurations murmurations.network/ Their want to facilitate org.s to store a canonical version of their data and allow it to be synced to different maps/databases 🗺️ (pretty cool!)

Forum post on topic: murmurations.flarum.cloud/d/10

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@douginamug emmm i don't get it, it's just a list of public projects that are alternative, why does it matter what the index is licensed with ?

@douginamug any US company with a lawyer should respect licensing. You have no obligation to enforce it, and at worst, you may get requests from companies wanting to use your data under alternative licensing agreements.

@douginamug
I'd copy openstreetmap's licence it seems to have worked for them, though may not be as tightly noncommercial.
There was a stooshie about some change they did that may have been to cover this type of case.

@douginamug @maxlath @yala -NC is much too vague. If you enjoy control, use ShareAlike, -SA with no -NC. Once you think seriously about enforcing any of this, give up and use CC-0.

@nina @maxlath @douginamug @yala companies usually respect licensing even with zero indication of enforcement

@travisfw @nina @maxlath @yala Hey, thanks for the input. Now that the poll has ended, more details: mastodon.xyz/@douginamug/10586

There seems to be quite some disagreement on whether companies would automatically respect licensing, or not.

Would either of you be able to argue further your case, or send me a link to that effect?

@douginamug @nina @maxlath @yala Sorry I'm not going to spend the time to contend, but there are a lot of voices in open data, many of whom have significant experience. Also, those who are considering entrusting their data to you should have the loudest voices here. If you don't have any stakeholders to ask yet, get them first.

@travisfw not giving an explanation, nor linking to an explanation implies I should just believe you.

I can't work with 'Travis told me so!' 🤷

@douginamug I'm telling you to find someone with experience publishing an open data set.

@douginamug what is the license for using metadata on these public projects? where are you gathering them from?

@Greg @VickyRampin Yes, that is part of the dicussion! mastodon.xyz/@douginamug/10586

I think their plan is to encourage all entities to use the same license, but precisely which license that is, is also not yet decided.

Can you link me to any articles which discuss meta-data infringement? It's really not clear to me how/whether meta-data can be protected by license or not. Quite some difference of opinion in this thread.

@douginamug @Greg

Metadata is absolutely copyright-able and is the IP of usually either the stewarding institution or original creator (depending on the platform). There are many cases were using the metadata in the way you've described would be a violation, but also many cases were it's not

here's an old preprint that touches on the issue, it's useful mainly IMO for the use case discussion: ddd.uab.cat/pub/poncom/2016/20

@douginamug CC0 because licenses are not the right tool to prevent unethical use of your creation. By its nature, your index is going to be useful to good people only. Sure, people can make copies of it and put ads next to it (see the many Wikipedia clones which do just that) but it will get them peanuts. Just make sure people who have a genuine interest in your work are as free as possible.

@douginamug IANAL, but I think CC-NC could actually sabotage your intent here.

It's connection data, so using it to reach out to projects might be construed as "use"? If this is a commercial entity wishing to support the project because they use it, they'd profit from the connection. That would be "commercial use"?

I'd go with CC0 to be on the safe side here.

@jens @douginamug this feels like an overestimation of what copyright licenses cover.

@swift @jens Thanks both. More details in this post: mastodon.xyz/@douginamug/10586

I think there is the plan to allow commercial use via additional licensing... seems tricky and fraught with political issues tho.

@douginamug
NC in creative commons only hurts small mom and pop organizations. The big ones can recreate your list for their equivalent of change under the sofa cushions thrown at some gig workers.

@Blort So this is exactly what I've been thinking. Thanks for summarizing in a funny way :) More details here mastodon.xyz/@douginamug/10586

@douginamug in general, i would use CC BY-SA for content, so users that edit it have to share their edits publicly under the same license

if it might get combined with other content like OSM, the license has to be compatible

if your data is facts, you can't copyright it

maybe ask a lawyer for details

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