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After the Cambridge Analytica controversy, the number of users on the Diaspora* network almost doubled. 2 months later, most of the new users have left.

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It's sad, because Diaspora* actually works - there are no obvious visible bugs.

So my question to all of you, given you're willing to use an alternative service like Mastodon:

What in Diaspora* do you find lacking? Why not use it?

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@beetle_b I've never really been on Facebook so I don't really know, but I guess it's because Facebook and diaspora* make it easy to keep it touch with people you know in real life, whereas Mastodon (and Twitter) are meant to follow people you don't necessarily know. So you can just get on Mastodon and follow a bunch of people, and maybe your freinds with come to Mastodon as well. But on diaspora*, your network is not using it when you join, so you're alone and you go back to Facebook I guess.

@Fallstar

It's as easy to follow someone you don't know in Diaspora as it is in Mastodon.

It is easier for me to follow a topic in Diaspora* than in Mastodon. The latter does not allow one to subscribe to hashtags.

@beetle_b
in (°m yes you can add a collumn with your favorited #

in D*, I guess there is the famous egg/chicken problem of critical mass of people/content

also, people are hooked to the feeds of FB bc of the way it is "treated" to be addictive on purpose, D* is only following the natural feeds, so less loopbacks and addictive behavior tends to disappoint people used to be "attracted" by screens ;)
so people needs to use these tools for actual real life use not selfcongrat

@Fallstar

@Olm_e @Fallstar

Adding a column as a way of following a tag is not a good way. I follow 20 tags. Should I have 20 columns? I would rather they just show up in my stream.

@beetle_b
I agree that's missing in Mastodon, but still it's not what people are looking for in Facebook, so diaspora* doesn't really replace Facebook the way Mastodon can replace Twitter.

@Olm_e

@beetle_b groups ? Real time communication ? Events ? UI ? Mobile app ? More ?

@got3xx

Mastodon has a mobile app which I think makes a big difference. For everything else, Mastodon is as lacking as Diaspora*.

I read recently that some D* developers are trying to shed the image of being a Facebook alternative - it automatically invites people to look for things like events and chat.

@beetle_b Yes, I am talking about D*.

Developers say what they want, not what users expect from a social network. That's why so many people left.

Unfortunately D* will never work on a large scale..

@beetle_b In my mind, Diaspora is the proverbial "old house".

There is nothing wrong with it, strongly built and stood the test of time. But after living in it for a while, you notice that one place where there is a mysterious draft. And that one spot where the floor makes an annoying squeak. A few rooms haven't been renovated and are 50 years out of date. And that one modern room was built to look worn and aged so it fits in with the rest of the house.

@beetle_b
Personally I have trouble to follow my mastodon instance from diaspora* (is it possible at all?) -this is a problem. Real federation is a key requirement.

For the rest it is a matter of taste I guess. I tried diaspora* long ago before knowing mastodon, and quickly gave up, partially also because of the "network effect". Mastodon feels much nicer to me.

@iday

The network effect would have been a problem for Mastodon as well - yet a lot more people joined.

When you say Mastodon feels nicer, can you give examples? Is it the GUI? For me, pretty much everything you can do in Mastodon can be done in D*.

@beetle_b

I do not have a concrete example, I am sorry, it's really a taste thing. The GUI certainly play a role though.

But can you follow mastodon/quitter/friendica users from Despora*?
That is possible with mastodon.

@Christ_OFF

That's missing in Mastodon as well.

@beetle_b Yes but in diaspora posts can be nearly like blog posts. Easy to make mistakes in a toot but easier un a long diaspora post

@beetle_b
1) diaspora* is a bit difficult to understand. For instance the terminology around the "aspect" feature isn't obvious.
The first time I got the notification that someone I didn't know "started sharing with me", I asked myself "what is he or she sharing with me?". In fact it just meant someone was following me. Perhaps this person has never actually shared something with me!
Also, at first it is not evident why you have to put someone in an aspect just to subscribe to his/her messages

@beetle_b
2) networking effect: diaspora* is designed to communicate with people you already know. For instance family members, friends, colleagues, etc. that you can put in the appropriate aspects. But most of my friends didn't want to try another social media, because they already had all of their contacts on Facebook. So my aspects are still almost empty and I never enjoyed this key feature of diaspora*

@beetle_b
3) missing features: without groups or events, it doesn't appeal to an association for instance. And it doesn't feel like it is the place where you will organiser a party.

4) no offline mode, and no native mobile app (because no API) means you can't use diaspora* when you're in the subway without an Internet connection (and that's a large part of my free time). Mastodon is much better for this use case.

@beetle_b
Don't get me wrong: I like diaspora*, I use it almost everyday, and I contribute as I can (mostly translation, donations on liberapay, and promotion "IRL")

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@beetle_b difficulties to bond with each other in the first place.

@beetle_b I think it may be due to the network effect. We haven't our friends and family on diaspora.

But mastodon is made in a different way, making easier interactions between unknown people.

@Phigger

I keep getting a lot of responses saying "The network effect". That's begging the question.

I'm trying to understand why there is a significant difference in the network effect. Why is it that Mastodon took off and Diaspora didn't? In the beginning, neither one of them had enough users for the network effect to be a reason.

@Phigger @beetle_b there is nothing wrong technically with disapora, but last time I checked I couldnt' find groups/communities there, only hashtagged subjects and more easy for bots and "influencers" to flood a timeline

also I couldn't easily go back to interesting content I'd seen (for instance i.e a technical post about computers/electronics in German, which I'm not able to read all at once and want to go back later to and read in stages).

@beetle_b @roipoussiere

It's not enough developed, on mobile devices?

The interface is a bit austere, maybe?

@beetle_b @roipoussiere I have the impression to be lost, in diaspora. I think the interface is a mess.

@Aznorth @beetle_b @roipoussiere Totally agree. The interface can easily lost a new user.

@beetle_b
I've been in D* for almost 4 years and for more than 1 year here in Mastodon. And I think that the big difference is that Mastodon works "just" like the blue bird. When people come here already know how to use it.
In D* it takes some time to adjust and at the begging you feel like the only one there with nothing on your feed. And now a days people don't take time to learn something new so they just go back to the old.

@beetle_b the main problem is my friends never followed me there - the Diaspora* platform is okay, but I feel lonely

The only way to connect with people is using hashtags and "aspect" and the chat feature is not really usable (as everybody is off-line)

I just discovered #mastodon and this social platform seems a lot more fun, dynamic and friendly