@hicks@mstdn.io
The hurry is that people are dying and the virus is mutating... Ultimately, it seems like most "intelligent" arguments against getting vaccinated boil down to "no amount of risk is worth protecting others." Which I find quite antisocial.
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@awaspnest
There is known safe treatment for Covid, vax not needed. No known treatments for side effects of vax. Vax uses gene therapy technology. Recovery rate of C19 is 99.8%. majority of those who died where: over 70yo, obese, underlying conditions.
All the above is verifiable.
It's not about the virus!
@hicks @atoponce

@Horizon_Innovations
The recovery rate for mRNA vaccines is 100%. Old People and obese people are people too, who also deserve not to die.
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@awaspnest
No one deserves to die. According to official reporting, over 5k in US & over 12k in Europe have died from C19 vax, needlessly. HCQ & ivermectin both work well & don't have a side effect of death.
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@Horizon_Innovations @awaspnest @hicks

FUD.

5,208 have died from 302,000,000 vaccinations in the United States, or a rate of 0.0017%.

596,572 deaths from 33,259,537 confirmed cases in the United States, or a race of 1.79%.

That's an unvaccinated death rate of 1,000 times, or three full orders of magnitude compared to those who are vaccinated.

The vaccinations are safe and effective. Stop spreading antivax FUD.

@atoponce

596k deaths are not COVID deaths ... You should also look at the ages of each targeted statistic ...

@mcread The United States will pass 600,000 confirmed COVID deaths very soon of ~33,400,000 confirmed cases, according to John Hopkins.

origin-coronavirus.jhu.edu/reg

@mcread That Johns Hopkins tracker is only tracking COVID related cases, vaccinations, and deaths. So no, those numbers do not reflect non-COVID deaths.

@atoponce Are you not interested to find out ? How can you seriously look at only the covid number ?

@mcread I think I understand what you're implying here: What if COVID-19 deaths are being miss-attributed? It's a difficult question to answer as most jurisdictions count COVID-19 deaths differently.

Epidemiologists can use the variation between these counting methods to create error-bars which give us a general idea how far off our overall count could be. Ultimately though, COVID-19 death totals just come down to an estimation.

webmd.com/lung/news/20200417/h

nationalgeographic.com/science

@awaspnest

I'm not worried that people are just counting covid deaths, I'm more worried that people don't even wonder about the numbers related to the other deaths, and if anyone asks they become public enemy number 1 and the killer of all dear ones ... This is not healthy ..

@awaspnest I'm also terribly worried that in the medical academic publications sector there was a serious reliability and replicability problem with a scary high percentage of published studies. ...

Another thing that worries me is that ( in Europe at least ) there was a huge problem with deaths in hospitals caused by nosocomial infections, and all these numbers are now ( yes, you guessed it ) ZERO .

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@mcread I'm having trouble checking the rates for nosocomial infections over time for any large EU country right now (maybe I'm using the wrong keywords). But I have found papers suggesting that the rates have fallen dramatically in recent years.

The replication crisis is really important! I totally agree that we need more boring science. While I can't fault anyone for not wanting to take a vaccine, I hopefully we can all agree spreading fear about it is unhealthy.

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@awaspnest arguably fear is better than believing everything we're being told.

@mcread I guess the point I was trying to get at wasn't that we should turn our brains off, but that this is complex topic, and our emotions might betray us. It's important not to amplify narratives based on fear. I totally get not trusting the vaccine, but as I non-expert I should be careful that I don't contribute to a sense that the vaccine is unsafe, if there's no good evidence that it isn't.

@mcread This is not to shut down a discussion. Talking about how we feel, even if it's not completely based in "facts" is important, valuable, and most of what makes the internet worth while.

But I guess there's a balance to be had. No man is an island.

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