Linus Torvalds drops the mic on antivaxxers on the Linux kernel mailing list.
@atoponce That's annoying. Because a douch (Enrico here) presents the most stupid argument - or troll against this rushed and unproven yet vaccine (long term people, long term!) - people like Linus jump into the place with sounded argument but discard the fact that we don't have the data, we are close to summer so, case drops AND this disease is mild for most!
- First: "Whatever" is not acceptable. I do hope you are not MD.
- Second: Show me the data about the long term effects of COVID-19 (severity, demographic, etc...)
- Third: 0.04% of the global population died allegedly of the COVID19. When I say "allegedly" I don't pretend COVID does not kill but it might be not the only/main factor in most cases.
- Fourth: Where is the hurry?
There is known safe treatment for Covid, vax not needed. No known treatments for side effects of vax. Vax uses gene therapy technology. Recovery rate of C19 is 99.8%. majority of those who died where: over 70yo, obese, underlying conditions.
All the above is verifiable.
It's not about the virus!
5,208 have died from 302,000,000 vaccinations in the United States, or a rate of 0.0017%.
596,572 deaths from 33,259,537 confirmed cases in the United States, or a race of 1.79%.
That's an unvaccinated death rate of 1,000 times, or three full orders of magnitude compared to those who are vaccinated.
The vaccinations are safe and effective. Stop spreading antivax FUD.
I'm not antivax in general. I am against gene therapy drugs that aren't needed. Your figures show those who died from C19 without treatment of ivermectin or HCL, so the survival rate should be higher. The swine flu vax was pulled at 53 deaths, how many more should die before this "vax" should be pulled? How many "vax" deaths are ok as collateral damage, "for the greater good"? And the "vax" trials don't finish until 2023!
@Horizon_Innovations Vaccination is not gene therapy.
Yes, vaccines are not gene therapy. The C19-vax is different, these say C19 vax uses gene therapy:
https://asgct.org/research/news/november-2020/covid-19-moderna-nih-vaccine really does seem to indicate that the Vacinee Candidates (at that point) were utilizing gene therapy—However, this indication isn't enough overcome the actual text + videos on the page which clearly show that the genes are not modified in cells receiving the mRNA.
https://academic.oup.com/intimm/advance-article/doi/10.1093/intimm/dxab013/6194108 Does have "utilizing gene therapy technology" in the title, but if you read more of the paper, you see that they are stating that they are using technology developed for gene therapy, but not modifying the genes in anyway. Nowhere does it indicate that any approved vaccines are modifying cells' genes.
"Gene therapy is a technique that modifies a person’s genes to treat or cure disease."
These vaccines are less invasive than SARS-CoV-2, because viruses infect your cells with DNA/RNA in order to take control, but aren't concerned with whether if you (or the cell) survive or not.
"When infected, a host cell is forced to rapidly produce thousands of copies of the original virus."
Obligatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/2397/
I'm not here to argue, just help people think beyond the narrative. & Dr Fauci lied!
I'll leave you with this:
When an injection puts synthetic RNA (genes) into your cells to produce a spiked protein that's meant to illicit an immune response. 1. your cells are not meant to produce a spiked protein because 2. They are a toxin.
The C19 "vax" 1. does not stop infection, 2. does not stop transmission. These 2 are what vaccines are meant to do.
Given these details, what is this injection?
@Horizon_Innovations I don't mind going back and forth with you! I think this is an important topic.
I really see where the confusion is coming from here: Yes, mRNA enters the cell, but it's interpreted by the ribosome (3), and does not enter the nucleus where the genes are kept (1).
"The messenger RNA from two of the first types of COVID-19 vaccines does enter cells, but not the nucleus of the cells where DNA resides."
@Horizon_Innovations To your other points:
1) Your cells are quite flexible in what they can do, if you get Covid-19 they'll be producing the same spike protein + a lot more.
2) The efficacy of these vaccines has been answered elsewhere in this thread, but look at case study consider Israel: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/israel
Finally, as a note about Dr. Fauci: I think this is a lot bigger than one person, or even one country.
scientists and governments across the world (many of whom aren't that friendly with each-other) have come to an agreement about the danger of Covid-19 and the usefulness of these vaccines to save lives.
If this is conspiracy, it's required millions of researchers, medical professionals, and government workers working in unison to cover it up.
@awaspnest Again, while we should appreciate details about this vaccine, this is the wrong discussion IMHO.
Like @Horizon_Innovations said: there's no proof it stops infection and transmission. That's enough to me.
This kind of rush and new target to reach is just a political move in front of a mild disease - for 99.x% of the population.
@hicks @Horizon_Innovations Actually, you might be surprised to learn that the effect of these vaccines on transmission and infection has been studied, and they do greatly reduce transmission and infection.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.01.436305v1.full (Animal study 🐈)
There are also many articles summarizing these results.
@hicks @Horizon_Innovations Also, I'd like to (again) address something that you keep coming back to: The danger of COVID-19. We should not try to downplay the millions of deaths from COVID-19 only because millions more survive.
Even though this isn't a civilization ending plague, we have a chance to try to save lives. You've stated before, that the elderly, sick, and disabled are most at risk here. If you aren't fighting for the protection of those less fortunate that you, what are you doing?
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