A culture of zero-tolerance towards harassment and/or abuse is bound to come as a bit of a shock to some people.
We're so used to casual awfulness both online and in meatspace, it will be jarring to be somewhere where the rules are completely different.
Even if you agree with the rules!
I think it's interesting that a significant chunk of the #Fediverse is trying to make this change. It won't be easy.
@HerraBRE I really hope it becomes the standard. I'd love to see a change where people can disagree, and even argue, but do it without attacking the other person. You know, be civilised?
@HerraBRE it's an endless debate. I used to help moderate a forum which attracts folks who feel strongly about free speech and where 'governance' was a dirty word to many. Debating moderator actions became exhausting, so we worked out and agreed some guidelines with the members, so the mods could focus on consistent implementation and let the community debate if they were ok or not.
1/2
@HerraBRE That community has become a welcoming, friendly, helpful place where all views are acceptable within sensible limits, so long as content is relevant and ideally adds value, and not likely to deter participation.
Without a team of moderators it's still possible to agree guidelines for an instance, and for the admin and members of the community to encourage everyone to respect them, or advocate for them to be changed with some means of reaching concensus. 2/2
@perspicacious01 If you truly believe that, then you are a racist idiot.
I hope for your sake you are just trolling.
@perspicacious01 @HerraBRE this doesn't align with any legal definition of free speech as far as I am aware. Admins and moderators are not a government. You are not entitled to be free from their content and conduct policies
@perspicacious01 wat
How did you get from protecting hate speech to mandating access to emergency services?
@perspicacious01 I counted ZERO truths in this statement
@perspicacious01 there is no such freedom in non-public spaces
@perspicacious01 sorry, no. The first amendment encodes a freedom from government actions. And not everywhere in the us is a public space. Very few venues are in fact.
You have no protection from your employer, for example.
@perspicacious01 anyway, I'm no longer interested in this discussion. Have a nice day and feel free to test the limits of your freedom in Starbucks
@HerraBRE I'm in the whole zero tolerance to harassment and abuse, but that zero tolerance can take very sinister directions regarding what is considered abuse/harassment or not
@zeonite I agree.
That's in part why most of my posts today have been exploring ideas related to milder forms of "punishment" or ways to enforce social norms. There are grey areas in all things and we want responses to be proportional, not excessive.
It is not easy to strike such a balance.
It is also important to recognize that a lot of our "that's no big deal" knee-jerk reactions come from just being numb and used to hurtful discourse, casual normalized verbal abuse.
@HerraBRE "Casual awfulness" is a nice capsule description of the problem, I think.
@HerraBRE Totally agree !
(plus, I love the term "meatspace").